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The Bagbys couldnt imagine a darker moment than their sons November 2001 murder. I didn't even know why I was going, other than Mom didn't want. Mr. BAGBY: Without those cell phone records, they couldn't formally charge. Mr. BAGBY: We first got to see him personally in family court. "This is it recognition by the legal community, which includes Parliament, that bail had something to do with Zachary's death. MORRISON: Do you find yourself going back and playing that back in your mind? Mommy misses you. His wife and himself also were quick to not harvest bitterness towards Turner's children,relatives,etc. What shocked fans the most was that Kate actually took David back, and the pair dated for a while after the show aired. And in the meantime, without that crucial piece of evidence to charge her with Andrew's murder, Shirley Turner quietly left US soil and returned home to Newfoundland. Even before the ultimate tragic end,I strongly felt that it was a crime within itself that that woman had that defenceless child. MORRISON: A couple of hours later, there was another knock at the, Mr. BAGBY: Told us what happened. MORRISON: And, says T.J., in the way of her opportunities to be. Zachary enjoyed himself in the water and a couple of hours later the Bagbys drove Turner and the baby home. MORRISON: Ah, but there was a lot to say about Andrew. Shirley kills Zachary and herself by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. Kate, with her lovely British accent, moves between dry wit and devastating regret as she remembers. Shirley Turner had walked out to the end, of a pier with tiny Zachary strapped to her body with a sweater, then jumped, into the ocean. She spends most of her free time watching hit reality TV shows or writing about it for ScreenRant. doesn't take much to pull a trigger, does it? A security guard reported hearing a. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. I am, just under the surface, perpetually angry. A judge ruled that Turner's detention was not in the public interest and released her on bail. But a few weeks later, she showed up in Pennsylvania, unexpected, for the wedding of one of his friends. MORRISON: Even more, the Bagbys' gloom was mixed with worry. I think they just poured all of their love and, MORRISON: A week after Kurt's visit, Zachary turned one. I truly commend the Bagby's commitment to exposing (and trying to bring about change) a corrupt judicial system, even in the midst of their tremendous loss. And a desire to write about a Canadian justice system that is fatally flawed. Cpl. Father murdered. Zachary's corpse described him as looking up to the sky. This book just reinforces the obliviousness and callousness of " the system" towards victims and its sick preoccupation with criminals' rights. Both reactions are legitimate, prompted by the same tragic loss, David says. MORRISON: So different from who Andrew really was, a kind, devoted son who made Eagle Scout at 15. Turner, despite being under orders to avoid contact with the couple, sent them photographs of the baby and a "baby book" so they could fill out their side of a family tree. I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. (Photo of Kate, Zachary and Shirley; photo of David, Zachary and Shirley; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photos of Zachary with Shirley and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Our usual policy was just to let her go. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. Mrs. Kate Holland Bagby, age 101, of Flowery Branch entered into eternal rest with her Heavenly Father on Tuesday, Oct. 2, 2012, at her residence following a short illness. Tragically, this is proven exactly right when she kills Zachary. How could they dither for months and months. Nurse and mother Kate Bagby was at work caring for patients the day she heard . Mommy loves you. It gets a bit bogged down in legal tedium. My heart aches for Kate and David Bagby. He was in a little crib and David and I knelt down at his feet and he was just, beautiful.". don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. MORRISON: I never know what to think about these feelings that people get. MORRISON: Shirley, meanwhile, seemed to be preparing for her, extradition, and perhaps she was looking for a way to exclude the Bagbys from. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. The other, their grandson, Zachary Turner. When the Bagbys visited the mortuary and saw Zachary's tiny body covered by a white sheet, they fell apart. I rarely give anything a perfect score, but the reason I'm not this time is simply because it was too sad. She just dropped to the floor and laid down, and, I went down after her. Turner grew up in Canada, where she married and divorced two men and had three children who often lived with their fathers and other relatives. A variation on glop, adds David, but it was good, often. Or was this her, way of demanding that they suspend their critical faculties and declare their, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I don't know what to give Zachary. Newfoundlanders tend to trust each other, perhaps it's because, generally, With a skilled lawyer on hand to do Shirley Turner's bidding, the. Help contribute to IMDb. When he returned to the States, Shirley showed up soon after. Audio CD. 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She's very active online and has kept fans updated on her dating life, including her new man. The. Mr. SIMPSON: And he said, `I'm going to need to catch up with you, and we're going to have to do some serious talking.' Now armed with a powerful tool, "Dear Zachary: A Letter, to a Son about his Father," the tribute film Kurt Kuenne started making, first. MORRISON: What did you think that she would do, kill you? is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. he was fussy at all. Shirley, held his birthday party at McDonald's. Telegram file photo. That word closure? She picked Zachary up and wandered for an hour or more along coastal roads and paths. That they survived such horrible adversity is a testament to their courage, resolve and love. She then murders said grandson in a murder-suicide. But before that could happen, Shirley was apparently deemed neither, dangerous nor a flight risk and almost immediately released on bail, most of, it posted by one of her mentors from med school, a psychiatrist to whom she'd, gone for treatment after Andrew's murder. David was taking pictures, Kate says. KATE: I knew exactly what my son looked at before he died. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Some of her earliest memories are watching Survivor with her family and having everyone show off their best Jeff Probst impersonation. And so he set out to collect the memories of Andrew's family and giant circle of friends. He didnt know what to make of it then. Some time after 1 a.m., she sat in the car and apparently mixed a bottle of sleeping pills with Zacharys formula. `Are you Kathleen Bagby? I said, `Yes. He said, `You have to call the coroner in Greensburg. I knew then, it had to be Andrew.. It was the result the couple had been waiting for. Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. It was all incorrect from the beginning, that all this, innocence and everything she's told you was a lie. Nor do the memories, starting with the Nov. 6, 2001, phone call. KATE: (Zachary hugging Kate) This is your Uncle Kurt. Twelve years older, she became obsessed with him. She eventually kills Zachary in a murder-suicide. That is not a spoiler, as it is on the back of the book. His parents were ecstatic. (Photo of Andrew and Kurt; Kurt editing film; collection of videotapes with, Mr. KUENNE: It was no longer just my search for what was left of, (Collection of videotapes of raw footage), Mr. KUENNE: I thought, I'm kind of the keeper of all this footage that is. A three-volume report released in 2006 by coroner Peter Markesteyn blamed fundamental flaws in the province's social services for Zachary's preventable death. the eventual turning of a bill they drafted actually becoming law. The documentary was also made with the intention of being given to Andrew's son Zachary to explain the full story of his family. The 10 most expensive reported home sales in Hayward the week of Feb. 20, Four take plea deals in wild Brentwood homicide where victim suspects shot each other, Feds charge two with robbing two San Francisco banks during the same day, One dead, another wounded in Oakland shooting. Related:Temptation Island: What Happened To Casey & Ashley After Season 2? My heart aches for Kate and David Bagby. "She was difficult to get to know," says Kate. and allowed to play Russian Roulette with her baby's and other people's lives is totally ludacris. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Andrew_Bagby_and_Zachary_Turner 314 [deleted] 5 mo. "When people have seen Dear Zachary, they gasp," says David. And she followed Andrew to St. John's. Temptation Islandairs Tuesdays at 10 pm ET on USA. Shes Kate Bagby from Sunnyvale, she explains. If they had awarded custody to the Bagbys and not granted that monster bail Zachary would be a young man and Shirley Turner would be serving her sentence in a Pennsylvania Women's Prison. MORRISON: The rage was tempered with a yearning to know just why Andrew had been assassinated. Turner walked to the end of the pier and, holding Zachary against her, jumped into the frigid Atlantic. Not only do you get the whole story of how the justice system failed, but Dave goes on to explain how it should be fixed. Cancel online anytime. MORRISON: What thought or feeling did that give you? The legal system helped her kill Zachary. Shirley Turner, awaiting, extradition for murder, was out of prison on bail. Andrew Bagby was a genial boy with dark hair hanging over his cherubic face. Bring your club to Amazon Book Clubs, start a new book club and invite your friends to join, or find a club thats right for you for free. He was especially delighted to hear that David and Kate Bagby are once again hauling out boxes of Christmas decorations that went unused for so long. And that little boy. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm not going to kid you, Doctor. A court mandate allowed David and Kate Bagby to spend time, with their grandson, babysitting, even sharing in joint activities with. Just rage. I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. MORRISON: Coming up, a knock at the door, and then the news. Mr. KUENNE: I vowed to collect every memory for you before they, MORRISON: As for Andrew's parents, David and Kate, they were, (Graduation photo of Andrew, Kate and David; Shirley with child). Not always.. So I gave her the. I had lovely family. What do you want it Mr. BAGBY: Very seriously. (Kate and Zachary; judge in court; Shirley being escorted from court), Mr. KUENNE: I don't know. You Have Been Warned). And you just bought the gun, right? The pain of having lost not only their son but now also their grandson was too much to bear. Serious crime is rare in this country. At 3am on Monday, August 18, Turner drove to a near by marina . In the spring of 2002, David quit his job and Kate took a leave. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) He is too happy, Kathleen. Did. You know how loved ones you've lost take on sort of a rosy glow in your memories? whether she was capable of hurting Zachary. David Bagby, who plans to send a copy of his book to key Canadian legislators, says he will continue to fight for bail reform. Shirley. The new law enhances ongoing child welfare improvements that can be traced back to Zachary's death, he said in an interview. flying; Canadian flag flying; Supreme Court of Newfoundland building exterior; photos of Shirley; court document; university building; man talking to, reporters; court documents; Kate and David). It is gut wrenching to read the details and to hear how much both Andrew and David were loved by both David and his wife. While watching the few minutes of the show, I could not believe that what the woman in the 'story' had done (at the end of the show/book) (and don't want to give away the ending here). Canadian authorities arrested Turner in early December 2001, but fatefully, released her on bail as she waited for a series of decisions regarding Pennsylvanias request for extradition. He said, `What do you mean?' Mr. BAGBY: The police didn't give us very much information, but they started. And he was crying, so I went into the ladies room and sat there, KATE: Made her very angry. However awkward Shirley Turner made it, they were sweet, cooperative. Turner and Zachary were in the shallow kiddie pool. He has clearly done his research of the law and proposes many ways that this type of tragic event could be prevented in the future. Was she lying? helped convince me that she would not hurt Zachary. Ultimately, the Bagbys desire to be with Zachary, the one they loved the most, required them to cooperate with Turner, the one they despised the most. MORRISON: You're in turmoil at that point. A man, who would not give police his name, called the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary to report that he had met Turner in a St. Johns bar and that he later had sex with her. Shirley Turner, a 40-year-old mother of three and Andrew's on-off girlfriend, had fled a bloodstained scene littered with incriminating evidence. Memorial University Medical School. It was deeply affecting and the saddest true crime story I have ever heard of. Customer Reviews, including Product Star Ratings help customers to learn more about the product and decide whether it is the right product for them. David, the analytical engineer with the scientific mind. KATE: People thought she was delicate, you know, and looked KATE: She couldn't kill. We were kind of like, `Well, we're not the best ones to be taking care of a child.' Theyre as much in love as any couple Ive ever seen in my life, anywhere, says Andrews lifelong friend Kuenne. MORRISON: Zachary Andrew Turner, the son of murder victim Andrew, Bagby and his accused killer Shirley Turner, was born on July 18th 2002, eight, months after the young doctor's murder. ', Because I know you would be worried if we disappeared for a couple of days or, MORRISON: Was she planning something? When search suggestions are available use up and down arrows to review and enter to select. This story is about how the justice system in Canada failed the Bagby's -- not only when it comes to extraditing the murderer of their only son, but in aiding the murder of their only grandchild, Zachary -- their last living link to their son. Click above for unlimited listening to select audiobooks, Audible Originals, and podcasts. Said, `Oh, no, I really can't.'. I wouldn't say I enjoyed the story - There is no happy ending but it brings to light the serious issues surrounding the system. At first, the Bagbys did not know whether to believe her. Man #14: I admire you and respect you so much for two things. "All I could say was: 'My son is dead? Are you having a good day with grandmom and. Mother a murderer. He made sure to wrap Zachary in a blanket (rather than a bag) and kept him as far away from Shirley's corpse as he could. substance to it. One day he walked into the electronics shop where David worked. Their year-old grandson was killed by his mother in Newfoundland while she was out on bail awaiting an extradition decision. . Their relationship with the woman who killed their son was unimaginable. As the police closed in on Shirley Jane Turner, their sole suspect made it clear that she would not give up easily. He says he would blunt his emotions, shut them off, and concentrate on the baby. ', MORRISON: But they'd have to wait almost a month. was that they'd have to accept her daily phone calls. Woman #11: Doesn't matter what happened. Shirley's message of "Mommy loves you" to Zachary is replayed following, Shirley Turner not only never sees justice for Andrew's murder, but by. David Bagby, 61, has written a book about much of it, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, scheduled for release late this month by Canadian publisher Key Porter Books Limited. KATE: And so she said, `Oh, take him and get him dressed,' to me. I agree whole heartedly, that things need to change. Cpl. The treatments worked a sweet miracle and on Sept. 25, 1973, Andrew David Bagby was born. All Access Digital offer for just 99 cents! The show takes four couples who are having trouble in their relationship and separates them from one another. Zachary himself was murdered by his mother as well. whose parents are charged with a violent crime. Easy duty. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on January 31, 2022, Great story with a big shocker i didnt see coming. They have a mission to bring change from tragedy. David expresses his intense rage and his intense patience with Turner superbly. I don't know how they are still living, but he described their heartbreak and pain so effectively. Newfoundland to meet the now 11-month-old little boy. If. In February 2002, Turners Canadian lawyer made an announcement that changed everything: Shirley Turner was pregnant with Andrew Bagbys baby. I think about the Bagby family all the time. But of course I didn't. but if we don't get help, we don't know if we're doing what's best. Andrews said he was inspired to act two years ago when he saw the documentary film Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father. I'm sure she died thinking she had won, but I also hope her she is living her justice now, in hell. The two also had trust issues they were trying to overcome on Temptation Island,as they had both cheated on their previous partners. This is a fantastic book. Unidentified Man #25: I love them very much. Yes,they were innocent as well, but I feel it takes a big person to rise abouve it all and not harbour animosity towards those people. Andrew's parents say he tried, frequently, to ease out of the relationship altogether, but Shirley wouldn't buy it. Andrew Bagby, 28, was their light, their love, their boy. She flew back to Iowa in a rage, David Bagby says. He said he had a couple of English nurses who wanted to go to Disneyland. I just finishes the book, and for a first-time writer I thought the writing was excellent. And I said, `Who?' I just would love to see them enjoy regular life again, too, as much as possible. He interviewed old friends who recalled Andrew as a gregarious, well-loved soul who starred in Kuenne's earliest attempts at filmmaking. The Bagbys couldn't have been happier, particularly since. (Photos of David and Kate with Zachary; Shirley being escorted from court). But Andrew's murder was only the first in a string of tragic events. It says that Pennsylvania detectives almost immediately focused on Shirley Jane Turner. did. 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HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. And because he made friends easily, the Bagbys home was the hangout for Andrew and his friends. They were living like students, says the Rev. They were in kind of a basement apartment with second-hand furniture. As Kate and David talk about their son, you can see the teamwork. Cpl. Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. She's also a market partner with the Monat brand, which sells hair care and wellness products. https://www.saltwire.com//california-couple-want-as-many-/ saltwire.com California couple want as many people as possible to know their story | SaltWire Would dismantling Interstate 980 repair damage to Black neighborhoods? Andrew is dead. It was like they had gone back to what it might have been like when they first got married.. Well, I was hurt in an, accident. Specific in nature? MORRISON: Coming up, Andrew dead. In January 2003, the Canadian appeals court ordered her freed while the extradition case moved forward. Kate says everything seemed to be going smoothly, until here. By the looks of it, the two are still together and happily living their lives as a couple. "She was not the woman you wanted involved with your son. One of the first to meet Zachary was, (Photo of Zachary Turner; wedding dance; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photo. In the beginning, Kate did not pursue any romantic relationshipswith the single menin the house, but David almost immediately started flirting with the single women. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son about His Father is a 2008 documentary detailing the life and death of one Dr. Andrew Bagby, a resident at a family practice in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. Get help and learn more about the design. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Just got up. I had two sisters already, so a brother, because now I'd have somebody that I can teach about hockey and, (Shears and Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary). And when, after his first year at med school, Heather broke off the engagement, Andrew was crushed. Source: Kate Griffith/Instagram, David Benavidez/Instagram. She. Mr. BAGBY: She told the court she was afraid we would harm the baby. Mr. SHEARS: I can remember being really upset and pissed off about that, happening because I had--I had friends here, and I had no time to tell anybody, basically why. This year is different. The suicide, he says, confirmed what he never wanted to believe that his mother was a murderer. The Bagby's lived a nightmare that no person should ever have to go through and I admire their courage and strength. I have to be honest, I've stopped reading this at 27%. Or it's in the car. There was a problem loading your book clubs. $19.46 2 New from $19.46. Copious evidence against Turner gradually came to light, and suspicion of her was compounded when she fled the country to her home in Newfoundland. I just finishes the book, and for a first-time writer I thought the writing was excellent. MORRISON: In Kurt Kuenne's documentary, Clark Simpson, one of Andrew's close friends at the hospital, remembers that November morning just two weeks later when Shirley surprised Andrew again. I may be in Fantasyland. It was time for the Bagbys to join Turner and baby Zachary on outings to the local pool. Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. get a chance to have some of Andrew again. We had to pack up Zachary, Mr. BAGBY: We just climbed right back upstairs and went to bed and melted. I have some hope that telling this story in detail has a chance to cause change in the law, David says of his book. The film doesn't mention what consequences Jusitce Gail Welsh faced for allowing Shirley Turner to walk free. Mr. BAGBY: What are you going to say that will MORRISON: And find something she did, going so far as telling, them that they had some anger issues which needed to be addressed by a, (Photo of Shirley; photo of Kate and David), Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) There has been, I guess, a lot of, uncomfortable feeling on both our parts. KATE: And she went over in the corner crying, and I gave him back. MORRISON: What do you do about this? Some days its difficult to get out of bed, Kate, 65, says. Mr. KUENNE: I think he was a little scared of me when I first came up. Absolutely riveting.i couldn't put it down, and was completely draw in and addicted. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you sure? At some point, police say, Turner tied the arms of her jacket together to lash Zachary to her as she walked carrying him. Andrew Bagby is murdered in the US by a woman who was angry that he broke up with her. 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